LEF heads have much to answer regrading the accident that snatched away the life of a young man and left the other three injured while on an errand of transporting LEF books to set up their famous (not!!!) book melas (fairs). Why do these monsters send people on errands such as these especially at this time of the year when people should be spending time with their families? Did they run out of all the unaccounted liquid cash they have stored on account of demonetization and are desperate to generate some quick cash?
There was a post earlier on this blog on how "LEF's mobile book fairs" are just another way LEF loots people. Click here to read that again http://lefwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2015_01_30_archive.html
These rogues have permanent centers in all these places where they have these book fairs. Why can't they be content with selling books at these centers? What is the need to have these young men drive all over the country with these huge truck loaded with these books to set up these fairs? Are these young men professionally trained to drive these huge trucks on Indian roads?
Here are some pictures of the accident site and the deceased young man.
My dear readers, please remember the bereaved family of this young man in your prayers. If someone has the contact details of the parents of the deceased young man, please send it across to the email address savelefi@hotmail.com or post it as a comment to enable people to do their little bit to help this family. The name of the young man who passed away is Veeraiah Joel and I gather from reliable sources that he is the only child to his parents.
LEF traditionally has no record of taking any kind of moral or financial responsibility for tragedies such as these. The moron that John Daniel is, he is known to even go to the extent of blaming the very people who are affected. In an earlier incident of a snake bite which almost killed another young man a year ago, this fool John Daniel apparently asked the young man and his wife to "search their hearts" to find out why God punished them like this. I am baffled as to why God is allowing these things to happen to innocent people when these evil men and women who run LEF seem to be going scot free. Why can't things such as these happen to one of these wicked men and women in this rogue organization so that those around them can see that evil cannot conquer for too long.
There was a post earlier on this blog on how "LEF's mobile book fairs" are just another way LEF loots people. Click here to read that again http://lefwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2015_01_30_archive.html
These rogues have permanent centers in all these places where they have these book fairs. Why can't they be content with selling books at these centers? What is the need to have these young men drive all over the country with these huge truck loaded with these books to set up these fairs? Are these young men professionally trained to drive these huge trucks on Indian roads?
Here are some pictures of the accident site and the deceased young man.
My dear readers, please remember the bereaved family of this young man in your prayers. If someone has the contact details of the parents of the deceased young man, please send it across to the email address savelefi@hotmail.com or post it as a comment to enable people to do their little bit to help this family. The name of the young man who passed away is Veeraiah Joel and I gather from reliable sources that he is the only child to his parents.
LEF traditionally has no record of taking any kind of moral or financial responsibility for tragedies such as these. The moron that John Daniel is, he is known to even go to the extent of blaming the very people who are affected. In an earlier incident of a snake bite which almost killed another young man a year ago, this fool John Daniel apparently asked the young man and his wife to "search their hearts" to find out why God punished them like this. I am baffled as to why God is allowing these things to happen to innocent people when these evil men and women who run LEF seem to be going scot free. Why can't things such as these happen to one of these wicked men and women in this rogue organization so that those around them can see that evil cannot conquer for too long.
This is such a sad news
ReplyDeletei heard that the incharge of books fairs, Abel took loan from the bank to run the book stalls or fairs. and giving some percentage of profit to LEF
ReplyDeleteAbel if you think that the LEF is your playground / hunting area just because you are a dear chamcha (sidekick) of Johny you are mistaken. You both had hidden agendas, John wanted profit without work and you also wanted to fool all . How can you take a trainee evangelist without paying him on your business. Get employees by paying them, If you had taken a loan from the bank you had no business to call it a ministry. The blood of Joel will be on your head, Johns Head and his family. All you bums have killed a young man due to your greed. God will see and judge, he is not a joker.
Deletein the photo where you marked joel you will find the gang leader abel who is just behind him (3rd one on back side from left in the photo) second one in the back from left with checks shirt is the driver krupanandam who was driving the truck at the time of accident.These fellows are so addicted to the jolly life they all move throughout the year with the truck. Reason : free food,accommodation, honeymoon trip with wife,family. you need not work for the whole year to earn your bread.simply travel in the name of book fairs and enjoy your life at the cost of poor buyers who purchase the books with such high price. these guys abel, his brother, driver krupanandam enjoyes these trips. I dare all the northeast preachers to come out openly about their misdeeds noticed in your centers.
ReplyDeleteI ask john daniel and his sister fatty betty to come out with the expenditure on purchases of books, travelling and meals cost of the team and sales details.
I also urge the fellows who purchased the items from these book fairs to verify the cost from internet.
If any prudent preacher in LEF may please stop this loot in the name of conducting book fairs. They must also ask why the team members like abel jesudas danny and all taking their wives along with them and who is paying the bills & travelling expenses. John daniel are you listening?
In the LEF a lot of entrepreneurship is seen, there is the franchise model at work. Pay Daniels and you are free to do anything. The Calendar business is another, where the calendar which may cost Rs.10 to make in bulk will be sold at any price. People will buy thinking the money goes to LEF ministries but in reality to direct pockets. Then why it is announced in every service Please buy calendars. The LEF is a business family engaged in family business. Run away from them when you have strength. You have been warned.
ReplyDeleteYou are right AnonymousDecember 26, 2016 10:01 PM, in small churches people use to distribute their calendars at free of cost as a courtesy. But, LEF being a big organisation wants to make money on calendar particularly center in charges of Andhara use to force village people and church ladies by giving targets to sell calendar in 100's each. Foolish people think that as many as the calenders they sell the much blessings they get.. they don't know really whose pockets they are filling.
DeleteNone never get even a pocket calendar for free from this stomach full organisation.
Where was / will Joel be buried, hopefully his body at least will be brought to the LEF Beulah Gardens. Hopefully some money will be given to the old parents of Joel and the injured. But I can predict what the action will be. "Bro.John had already warned the driver twice not to touch the vehicle though he was the driver, but the driver disobeyed and so all this happened, because the driver disobeyed Gods servant the Lord who is a consuming fire took action". "God protected Joel from committing serious sins (in future) and so took him" "It is Gods will brother/sister, what can we do". "It is better to be with the Lord" "Anyway Joel was not giving anything to his parents, now why should we give". "Gods money cant be wasted on a non Daniel".
ReplyDeleteSo sorry Joel, May you rest in peace. but so saddening.
The LEF madness and in-sensitiveness is mind numbing, All Others Leave the LEF fast
Those who commented on the post: what you post in the blog may have some facts but it is very clear that you are spewing out only venom on everyone at LEF simply because your mind cannot see the real facts and not ready to accept the truth. I personally know Abel, hist testimony, his personality and his character. He is one of the few people who is admired by young people. He is still young and a very good learner. Above all, he is humble and quite when compared to all students. dont you simply post negative things about this man just because you have dirty heart. Loses will happen in all ministries, yes, what has happened is very sad but it is not because of a person or administration. you name any ministry and we can find lot of negatives. you may feel happy by posting bad about people but that is not all truth. Miracles and blessings through book fairs are undeniable. You are simply cancelling good and say what ever LEF does is wrong... that shows your filthy mind..
ReplyDeleteIs this Abel writing about Abel to defend Abel or was this job of defending Abel sourced out to another chamcha of Abel? You wrote "He is one of the few people who is admired by young people. He is still young and a very good learner. Above all, he is humble and quite when compared to all students" - Did you even think through when you wrote the above statement? Why in the world are you still rotting in LEF which has very "few" people whom young people can admire? You are implying here that except a handful of people like "Abel," everyone else in LEF is a rogue. Isn't it a shame that the one of the few people whom the youth in LEF can admire is also pulled into controversies such as these? Don't pull this nonsense of LEF verbiage of "filthy minds, ministry, miracles and blessing to cover the crimes of these rogues in LEF. Mark my words - THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END!!! If I were you, I will run for my life. Only a fool sits and pontificates when the neighbors' house is on fire while the wise packs his valuables and runs as far away as possible from the fire. But then who said LEF people are wise??? All who are left in LEF now are bunch of dull heads who can neither seek counsel nor are wise enough to make prudent choices.
DeleteI am neither abel nor chamcha of abel as you call. you people simply do not have open mind to examine people. so you take only one dark side of issue and write pages of bad stories.. fine! but I also mentioned that you give me any church or ministry name and I will show you bad things and loses happened for them. why don't you respond to that? so what you are saying is you and your team are Mr and Mrs perfects. Good. but the world does not need such perfectionists. I believe you are some where in US.. May be texas or Chicago or florida.. tell me your church and I will tell you 100 bad things about it. The truth is christians don't chose to talk about unintentional loses or bad things in churches. if some thing is deliberate then you can tell 1000 things. or I'll give you challenge, leave your job and go to full time ministry (Not in LEF) in any church you love and after 1 year come back and tell me you or church have done nothing wrong, no mistakes, not wrong decisions etc.. then all LEF people will join your church.. Good Luck
DeleteYou crack me. I am neither doing a survey of which church is better than the other nor I am doing a comparative study of all the bad things and losses that happen in churches!!! The objective of this blog is to expose evil in LEF. The justification that every other church in the world is bad as LEF is irrelevant. So, all this pitch that you are giving about my church and your church is just waste of your breath. I may be in Texas Florida, Chicago or Timbaktoo and that doesn't make any difference to my analysis of the evil that happens in LEF. Your rhetoric of full time ministry and this silly challenge that you are trying give is just your way not being able to see the truth for what it is. I can only pity you, my dear friend.
DeleteSo you are doing Analysis? Are you for sure you know everyone in LEF? Abel in this example? Have you ever met him? have you ever talked to him? I think you were not the person mentioned about abel in earlier post. If not how can you just support somebody who wrote about him? It's like unmarried person talking about marriage who says oh there is no happy couple in the world. that doesn't make sense at all. May be it makes sense to you and to your team. Reading your blog shows that who ever writes negative about LEF (let alone Daniel's family) are good people and it is right thing to the blogger. it's logically incorrect. you may have data or proofs with you for certain issues but mark my words not every one the same. so tell me, Do you know abel personally. If in case you are thinking that i am his family member or some elder or pro LEF, you are wrong. I'm much younger to abel who has been observing him closely for more that 10 years.
Deletehello abel chamcha. what is there to admire in him? flirt with girls & getting married to high profile wealthy girl by managing LEF purohits? I really admire abel about this. whenever he goes to bookfairs, you also go and watch him then ask the preacher there. they tell how much they had to spend for this costly show. just because of fools like you, these cheaters are surviving
DeleteThanks for more insight who ever you are.. I may be chamcha of some one but I'm happy that I'm not blind dog like you barking without knowing why... you want me to go to book fairs with him right ?? I have been with him to several book fairs and I saw the work he does ... many times team slept on floor and some times even with out basic fecility like fan.. we pack everything, loafing and unloading .. Abel does it with the team..I don't talk about a person with out observing him like you.fool. By this I know for sure you never been with him in book fairs. I don't have to ask preacher how much he spent for abel or book fairs ... they do it willingly unless the preacher is your advocate or some one who went out of LEF and spreading bad things after he's gone out. I have never seen book stalk team asking for certain accommodation or food or what ever you call spending for book stall ... first ask your preacher if he by any chance spent lot of money for Abel or book fairs willingly or compelled to do..... may be you or your preacher would have spent lot of money when you were in LEF thinking you are giving them great and best hospitality .. but now u r out that hurts you .. routine story
DeleteYou don't come out to be sincere, my friend. You sound like a person who is desperately trying to hold on to a broken dream as reality is too bitter a truth for you to come to terms with. It happens all the time when a person gets mesmerized with a certain phenomenon and when people present you with a different side to it. May you have peace and hopefully the clarity to see things for they really are. Unfortunately too many people in LEF have been blinded by constant brainwashing and twisted doctrines. If Abel is as innocent as you think he is, good for him and good for you too !!! It is unfortunate that then that he is stuck in an organization that is pulling him into these controversies which are tarnishing his reputation.. May be needs to get out and you also might have to get out along with him just so that you can keep your conscience clean.
Deleteso you are with abel in book fairs. to be fair, tell the places and date where abel slept on the floor. I partially agree with you that the team always sleep on the floor & the core team like jesudas krupanandam etc get classic stay. yes they don't ask the local preacher about money, but give instructions to book the hall tables lights. who was paying the bills at last day? otherwise they tell the hq about the preacher&he will be humiliated. so out of fear all these preachers oblige. you say you are not blind dog. well then ask the purest abel to give accounts of the expenditure of the team. who paid the family travel, hotel and food bills. if the book fairs are service, why the cost of items so high. when were you with him lately. please enlighten us with dates and places and team names.
Deleteoh and can you tell us what he had for breakfast last Tuesday morning. Tell the truth and shame the devil.
DeleteIn norh-east book fairs as the sudents we have to load and unload books. i am have seen them selling books three times more than what they are. we have to provide lodging and good for atleaast seven members. we cant say no, because the concerned preachers insist us to help them.
ReplyDeletewhat you say about this anon dec31,3.17 & 5.24AM? why preachers insisting to provide them food and lodging? out of love or out of fear of Hq taking their positions? when all the boarding and lodging, hall rentals are met from locals, why they still sell at high cost? if the diesel cost is more how come all other book stalls sell for less?
DeleteTerry whom you are addressing?
Whistleblower, of course. I'm starting to doubt her omniscience.
DeleteHa ha:-). Not easy to keep track with so many Anonymous postings. We should have some numbering system such as Anonymous 1,Anonymous 2...Just saying
DeleteIf it is a ministry there there is no need for outsiders to get loans and sell the books. (then it becomes a business, acting like a ministry). Then replace the name as John the Divine & family and (one eighths) Abel Company. Print bills on your sale. Was the LEF board which comprises of so old men and women aware of this agreement.
ReplyDeleteWhile it is a good idea to sell Christian books in far-flung areas, it is plain maximization of profit to sell in already established centers. Then why should the evangelist trainees be sent as unpaid slave labor. Jesus said that the laborer is worthy of his wages. Why should guys like Abel sleep in the ground, Because of that and due to that, the Daniel tribe sleeps in 5-star comfort. Why not provide basic facilities to the book team (again it is profit maximization due to reduction in cost).
Was the Young man Joel who died, trained to drive a large truck, was he having a valid license, and a Life / Accident Insurance policy / Aadhar card / Identity card, No isn’t it , He is a volunteer, Only the Daniels are the owners and workers in the LEF, all others like worker bees must do a bee dance to keep the queen bees and the drones happy and well fed.
Is there no money in the LEF, let these great humble servants give Rs. 25,00,000 to the aged parent of the young man who died.
1. Loses will happen in all ministries, yes, what has happened is very sad but it is not because of a person or administration
Is the death of a young man such a common happening? Hope you will tell the same when death comes knocking in your family. The mal administrators in the LEF want only CASH and so such tragedies recur.
2. you name any ministry and we can find lot of negatives.
That means you accept that negatives are in the LEF, Be careful you will be kicked out by the tribe for telling the truth
3. You are simply cancelling good and say whatever LEF does is wrong... that shows your filthy mind.
There is no good left in the LEF to cancel.
After Johns and Lily’s treatment of Dr.Rev.Whitson Paul, let us check who has a filthy mind.
4. tell me your church and I will tell you 100 bad things about it
Ok tell me 100 bad things about the LEF, I can tell you 1000000 things
5. that I'm not blind dog like you barking without knowing why
Why should a blind dog bark, only when the thieves come the dogs bark, surprisingly a blind dog can / will sense a thief and a robber, and will bark to warn but not the LEF adherents. Which shows that apart from being blind they are also deaf and sleepy. (thanks for accepting a universal truth about the LEF).
The LEF is a corrupt pocket picking business, where the Daniel children and grandchildren and their relatives and various house slaves want to live in 7-star comfort from the offerings given by poor people (which are encouraged as offerings to God and his ministry). Without working for a single day nor maintaining nor giving any accounts. More maddeningly the Daniel tribe is surrounded by well-meaning but impossibly mesmerized people who close their eyes, ears, hearts and brain to the abuse which happens around them. In return the family will threw a few pieces of preaching chances after allotting the most convenient to them. And a life time chance to be a slave. I am sick of people defending the indefensible.
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..."it becomes a business, acting like a ministry)." You've just summed up in a few words the LEF. Well done.
DeleteI can totally relate to your frustration, Anon 007. I thought hard on why well-meaning people are so impossibly mesmerized and are willing to do just about anything to have a chance to have an audience to sit in front of them to hear and see them "preach." It is a very strange phenomenon that I have seen in LEF that people are willing to sell their souls to get on stage to "preach." I think one of the things LEF does is, it strips people completely off their self-worth and then slowly and systematically use these stage performance opportunities to make these people who have no self worth to feel important and wanted. I have read somewhere a very interesting anecdote that so aptly describes what is the modus operandi in LEF.
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During those final days of the collapsing Marxist experiment in the Soviet Union, Soviet novelist Chingiz Aitmatov retold the following story, which has been paraphrased here.
On one occasion, so it was narrated, Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow him around the room, he turned to his dumbfounded colleagues and said quietly, “This is the way to rule the people. Did you see how that chicken followed me for food, even though I had caused it such torture? People are like that chicken. If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.”
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I am pretty sure that the patriarchs of LEF got lessons from the same system that groomed the worst dictators human race has ever seen such as Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussein...
These deluded would-be 'preachers' share some similarities with would-be actors! They will often do the most menial of jobs in order to be available to say a few words on stage if anyone lets them. Human pride and ambition know no bounds. However actors are honest about their motives and personal ambitions, whilst LEF sycophants claim that they are 'serving God'. Actors usually spend years learning their craft from those genuinely qualified by study and example to teach it. LEF would-be 'preachers' try to launch themselves into prominence with no real understanding or training as to what Christian preaching really is. Their only guide is a slavish adherence to the unfocussed and often erroneous ramblings of the late Joshua Daniel, or time spent in LEF's notorious slave labour camp which operates under the guise of a 'Bible School'. They think that if they open their mouths within an LEF setting - or any setting! - the 'Holy Spirit will give them utterance'.
DeleteTheir guru, Joshua Daniel, had no understanding that preaching was one of many gifts sovereignly given by the Spirit for the building up of the local church. He never submitted himself to the discipline of a local church, or allowed his (non-existent) 'preaching' abilities to be assessed or discerned by the elders and membership of a local fellowship. He roamed the world at other people's expense, but without consulting those who supported his self-absorbed peregrinations, spouting out his condemnatory nonsense to his 'tame' audiences. He failed to understand that being a preacher makes a man the servant of others, not their emperor. He had never learnt that the gift of preaching goes hand in hand with pastoral care and concern, according to the biblical pattern set out for the post-apostolic Christian church. As Terry noted earlier, one did not have to examine his words and behaviour in much depth in order to realise that he despised his fellow Indians, even though he nourished himself and his ambitions on the admiration and veneration of his naive followers.
Joshua Daniel was very familiar with a lot of the words contained in the Bible. He was completely unfamiliar with the message of the Bible. No truly God-ordained man would want to compromise the Gospel by sharing a platform with such a person, or preaching under the auspices of his commercially-orientated organisation known as the Laymen's Evangelical Fellowship.
Well said.
DeleteJohn Raja has been banned from Satyamangalam center. Mr Raju center in-charge in Satyamangalam (Tamil Nadu) asked LEF not to send John Raja any more to Satyamangalam as he keeps complaining and talking about other people.
ReplyDeleteI met this fellow at Madras HQ about 27 years ago or someone with the same name.
ReplyDeleteIf you ban preachers for keeping on complaining and talking about other people, then the entire preacher lot of LEF needs to be banned as apart from keeping on complaining and talking about other people what do the LEF preachers preach. Preaching is secondary money grabbing is the first and only concern.
ReplyDeleteI received a message with the Joel's mother bank account, asking the public to send some money as donation to the bereaved parents. I was shocked to see it. What nonsense is this to beg like this. what this useless HQ of Lef is doing for the family? cant they shun a few crores from their black money to the family, if they think money can comfort the loss? If this incident occur in any of factories or any of other NGOs the whole bunch would be dragged out on the roads to give the compensation with dharnas and hunger strikes. These blind Idol worshippers as Laymen/p disguise and posing as babas and gurus, and saadhus, and munies, and monks, showing stupid faces and telling others to help the family by money sending. what this stupid lef is doing for the family. ask them to come out and publicly confessing for the misdeeds they make. where is this family now? how many families has to suffer like this? No NGO of any sort would keep mum like this in this world. These are the most cunning and cheating people.
ReplyDeleteAnil said "We are Christians. So we don't do dharnas and hunger strikes, like heathen, for someone's loss. For god is the judge who pays each one according to his works."
ReplyDeleteAnother death recorded in andhra on account of stuartapuram meetings..
ReplyDeleteThese are the most cunning and cheating people,is an understatement, the Daniel tribe cheats everybody by their acting as holy people, The only way is to stop giving them money called as offerings for Gods work. The LEF leaders use people and throw them off.
ReplyDeleteSex fiend / maniac Anil has to marry to make the life of a girl a endless misery, by writing such posts he will get a good girl, a rich girl, maybe a deluded doctor as per Gods will. In the mean time he will get a 2 year old salt biscuit for his services, and may be considered for a chance to blabber a message, so boy keep up and keep on trying, Fortune favors the brave. Try more innovative boot licking strategies.
ReplyDeleteAnother death recorded in andhra on account of stuartapuram meetings.
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